MEDIA-PERSIA Future to Daniel / History to us
The Ram and the He Goat Vision
There are two "visions" that Gabriel is giving to Daniel. One concerning the kingdoms of Media-Persia and Greece, (Dan.8:1-13, 15-25) and other concerning the "evening and the morning. (The Cleansing of the Sanctuary. (Dan.8:14, 26-27)
I. The first Vision (The Ram and the He Goat)
"In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that
which appeared unto me at the first. And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at
Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.
Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns:
and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last. I saw the ram
pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there
any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. And as I was
considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the
ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. And he came to the ram that had two horns,
which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power. And I saw him come close
unto the ram, and he was moved with choler (anger) against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns:
and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon
him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. Therefore the he goat waxed very great:
and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four
winds of heaven. And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the
south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it
cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. Yea, he magnified himself
even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was
cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the
truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered." (Dan.8:1-12)
A. The ram with two horns are the kings of Media Persia (Dan.8:3-4, 20)
Daniel is now seeing more details of the next two kingdoms after Babylon, that of the "breast
and arms of silver and belly of brass (Dan.2:31-32, 39). Behold, "there stood before the river
a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other,
and the higher came up last. I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and south-
ward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver
out of his hand; but he did according to his will,and became great."
1. The "infallible" interpretation of Gabriel
Infallible because it is Gabriel said, "make this man..understand the vision" (Dan.8:16-17)
and it inspired scripture. (2Tim.3:16-17) Daniel said, "I heard a man's voice between the
banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision"
(Dan 8:16-17). So Gabriel did so. He said, “the ram which Daniel saw having two horns
are the kings of Media / Persia (Dan.8:20).
a. Nebuchadnezzar's dream gives a foundation to build on. The start point was the
kingdom of Babylon (where Daniel was) and ends with LORD JESUS CHRIST / MESSIAH
(Review: Page 1)
b. Now Daniel sees the next kingdoms (Unamed)
c. .
2. The time frame of this vision is history to us!
This was future the Daniel but History to us. It is speaking of the time of Media-Persia and
into the "latter time" of the kingdom of Greece (Dan.8:20-23). Therefore the language of the "daily
sacrifice" and "sanctuary" (Dan.8:23-25) belong in the same period of time.[2] (The kingdoms of
Media-Persia and Greece are History, not end-times).
3. He (the rough) goat is the king of Grecia (Dan.8:5-7, 21)
As Daniel was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole
earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes (Dan.8:5-6).
a. Interpretation
Gabriel interpreted the "rough goat is the king of Grecian (Greece) and the great horn that is
between his eyes is the first king (Dan.8:21). The time frame is still History to us, not end-times.
b. Historical record
This "great horn" was Alexandria the Great[3] (Dan.8:8, 21). The "he goat" (the kingdom of
Greece) waxed very great: and when he (the great horn / Alexandria the great) " was strong
(Dan.8:8, 21), he "was broken." History records Alexandria dying at the age of 33. [2]
4. Four horns stood up in place of the notable horn. (Dan.8:8, 22)
Gabriel has interpreted the rough goat is the king of Grecia: (Greece) and the great horn that is
between his eyes is the first king. (History identifies the first king as Alexander the great). Now that
being broken, (Died at 33 yrs old) whereas four (of Alexander's Generals) stood up for it, four
kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, (of Greece) but not in his (Alexander's) power.
5. In the latter part of their kingdom (This is still history not future to us today)
In the latter part of their kingdom (the kingdom of Greece) shall stand up "a king of fierce
countenance" (Dan.8: 23, 9), a little horn. This king / "little horn" was Antiochus Epiphanies.
(175-164 BC.) king of Syria. Remember: This is history to us. (Dan.10 -11:34 fills in more details).
6. A further confirmation that this is history
God revealed to Daniel (beginning with the kingdom Babylon Dan.2:1-44; 7:1-25; 8:1-27; 9:24-27;
11:1-45) what was to happen concerning the kingdoms of this world, the City of Jerusalem, the
Sanctuary (Temple) and the daily sacrifice. As Daniel looked into the future beyond Media- Persia,
Greece and Rome. He was told to "seal up the book until the time of the end" (Dan.12:1-9).
Then John see's (at the time of the end Dan.12:1-9) a "sealed book" (Rev.4-5) being opened.
When the sealed book is opened (Rev.5:1) there is nothing about the daily sacrifice being
taken away or a Sanctuary being cast down. However Revelation does bring over from Daniel
the identification marks of the Lion, Leopard, Bear (Dan.7:1-8, 17. Rev.13:2), and the ten kings and ten
horns (Dan.2:40-45; 7:7, 24. Rev.17:12, 16).
The reason for this is because
After the Cross "the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands" (Acts.7:47; 17:11). The
Church is the Temple (John.2:18-20, Eph.1:22, Col.1:16-18, Eph.2:20-22, 1Peter.2:5).
After the Cross The daily Sacrifice has been fulfilled in Jesus (Matt.5:17-19, Heb.9:1-10).
Note: There is a Sanctuary / Temple in Revelation being measured but not destroyed /
cast down. This is because this language belongs during the time period of Greece when the
daily sacrifice and and the earthly Temple (Sanctuary) made with hands was imposed on Israel
until Christ came (Heb.9:1-28; 10:1-29).
B. SUMMARY: The focus of The Ram and the He Goat
Even though Daniel did not understand, (Dan.12:4, 8-9, 13, Eph.3:1-5, 1Peter.1:10-12, Matt.13:10-17)
he was seeing two things.
1. The first
was the conflict between Media- Persia and the domination of Greece which leads to the
first king of Greece (who was future to Daniel, but HISTORY TO US) "waxed exceeding great, toward
the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. (earthly Jerusalem)
a. Media-Persia and Greece was only events that lead to the "little horn"
b. NOTE: towards the latter end of their (4 Generals) kingdom (i.e. Greece divided into four
divisions) shall the "little horn" stand up.
c. Why the pleasant land. (earthly Jerusalem) where the Sanctuary / Temple where God's name is
recorded. (NOTE: The man of sin will come against everything that is called God 2Thes.2:1-4) Lucifer's
purpose before he was cast out, and he has not changed!
(1) And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars
to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(2) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
(3) And by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
(4) And the place of the sanctuary was cast down. (This was in force until the Cross)
NOTE: These were all things to bring us the CHRIST / MESSIAH / THE WORD MADE FLESH. To come
against them is to come against the host of heaven. Coming against MESSIAH. Mocking the lineage
(Isaac) Despising the birthright (Esau) When Moses truck the rock, that rock was Christ (1Cor.10:1-11)
(5) And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, (i.e. failure of the
House of Judah to be faithful to the Law of Moses) and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it
practised, and prospered. This when synagouges came into exist, Rabbi's adding the commandments
of men to the Law making the Word of none effect. TORAH / TALMUD / MISHANA / MISHRACK /
GEMERA
NOW to the Second was the Vision of the morning and Evening in Dan.8
God told Nebuchadnezzar that He rules in the kingdoms of men, and giveth (gives) it to whomsoever he
will...and none (no one) can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (Dan.28-37)
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